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    rubenoff
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    Here in Canada we have many times at night when the weather is really clear and cold have you ever experienced the following situation driving in clear weather ?? and what do the rules for safety say in your area??

    (A) meeting a vehicle on 2 lane road system on a clear night and the oncoming drover dims his headlamps to low beam, However now on Low beam there are
    2 added fog lamps illuminated and adding 100% more light that you have to endure

    (B) you are travelling at legal road speeds on a clear night and a vehicle comes up behind your vehicle, and dims his headlamps on to low beam, However there are 2 added fog lamps lit adding 100% more light than needed on a clear evening glaring into your side mirrors and rear view mirror

    Our B.C regulations state that a vehicle operator may use fog lamps instead of low beam lamps when the weather has atmospreric conditions that make the use of low beam difficult

    In the U.K there are regulations that forbid the use of fog lamps when the weather is clear at night, But in Canada no one has been able to get the ear of
    Politicians or Auto clubs, insurance companies or Police department, to address the proper use of fog lamps on the highway systems

    Please see pix and comments on Daytime running lamps and fog lamps on U tube weblink below

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfYTXh7_qkA&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

  • #176596555

    wd8chl
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    Well, last I saw, here in Ohio it was illegal to have more than 4 white lights on the front of the vehicle-2 low beam headlights, and 2 high beam headlights. “Fog lights”, or “driving lights” as some are calling them now, have to be yellow, or they have to be considered one of the other two, low beam or high beam. And high beams must be turned off when there is oncoming traffic in either direction.

    Now, is this enforced? No. In fact, I would say more than half the vehicles on the road are illegal as they come from the new car lot.

    This came up back in the 90’s when there was a fad started with license plate frames that had LED ‘chasing’ lights. Some of the LED’s were white, pale yellow (which looked white at a distance), red, and blue. All were illegal, and people were required to remove the offending lights. You saw these then where people had removed all but the brighter yellow, orange, and green, and they looked funny with big gaps, etc.
    (You’re not allowed to have red on the front at all, only 2 red in the rear, and no blue anywhere.)

    As to DRL overall, the whole idea that one needs to have any lights on at all on a normal day is ludicrous. Again, the law here in Ohio is you must have your lights, including headlights, on one half hour AFTER sunset, and can turn them off one half hour BEFORE sunrise. At those points, normally there is more than enough light to see. The only exceptions is when there is very heavy fog, rain, or snow, limiting visibility. Frankly, if you can’t see another vehicle with no lights on at all, during the day, you shouldn’t be driving, and I don’t see how one could pass the vision test.

  • #176596564

    rubenoff
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    Thanks for the comments Basically the thing we object to is the use of fog lamps in clear weather at night we are trying to get regulations updated
    see below have a nice day

    Ms. Christy Clarke Premier of B.C Feb 09 2012

    as a retired Licensed B.C. M.V. inspector we ask your assistance in Having a order in council put in place to update to the current Motor Vehicle act regulation # 4.11 controlling the installation and use of fog lamps on vehicles .

    Reason for the request for update is related to improving highway safety in B.C
    the regulations currently do not allow or require the Police to issue citations to people who switch on their vehicle fog lamps and never shut them off, this cause a problem in
    the night time when the weather is clear and there are no fog or atmospheric conditions that requires the use of fog lamps and using the fog lamps adds 100% more light for the eyes,s of the approaching motorist, Because the Low beam headlamps are also lit

    Please have the following words added to section 4.11.4 which will read as an addition
    (A) operators of vehicles may not use fog lamps with low beam beam headlamps during clear weather at night time due to the added light from fog lamps shining into the eyes of oncoming motorists, and or shining into the rear view mirrors or vehicles being followed
    Suggested citation fog ignoring the 4.11.4 (A) regulation update $ 75.00

    in the U.K and Australia this regulation has been in place for many years

    we have been in touch with Motor Vehicle inspection in Victoria and they have referred us to your office

    I have attached a copy of the response from the Vehicle inspection office in Victoria

    Your attention in this matter will be apreciated

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