We have all been through these blantant violations of our God given rights and garuantess as enumerated in the 4th and 5th Amendments to the Constitution. The question is how to fight them. My purpose is to illicit input on strategies to fight them. At this point my thought is to simply turn my car around in a safe manner and head the other way. There is no "duty" or requirement one subject themselves to this type of harrasment. I do expect to get pulled over but plan to have my Blackberry in record mode and then ask why I was pulled over. Is there a law against making a safe three point turn or using a driveway for the same purpose? Is it mandatory I present and submit myself for a search at the time and place an officer chooses? In fact is seeking to avoid such seizure and search now considered what is now jokingly referred to as "reasonable suspicion"?

If nother else a minor victory in occupying the officer's time will be accomplished. Now imagine if 10 or 15 drivers all do the same thing.

Thoughts and comments?

Y'all have a nice day.

Check the U-turn laws in your particular state to see what qualifies as a legal U-turn before making the turn. You need to be absolutely positive that you have done nothing wrong when the police decide to pull you over. This means making the turn legally, turning into the closest available lane (not going across 3 lanes when the car can turn more sharply), and making sure everything on your car is legal (tint, lights not burned out, windshield not cracked or too dirty). I would also make sure that I had my camera running before you make the turn with a view outside the front windshield so that you can refute any charges a cop might decide to make up. It's also important to know the appropriate driving statutes while being prepared to correct any lies/mistakes that a cop might speak.

I also always give cops the benefit of the doubt. I become discourteous when they have become so with me. I address them as sir or officer and expect similar treatment from a public servant. Sometimes you run into a good one, but that does not happen often enough.

Make sure you know why you were pulled over. "Avoiding a roadblock is not a crime anywhere I have lived"

If you are forced into the roadblock by physical circumstances (curb, median, cones, etc.) ust stay quiet and roll you window down as little as possible.

Check out this site for more tips... https://www.checkpointusa.org/blog/index.php

BTW that site is not mine and I am not a lawyer. I'm just telling you what I would do if I was in your shoes.

Thanks for the input. I will make sure the camera is rolling BEFORE the U-turn is made.

Y'all have a nice day.

The Police in this country have become nothing but Toll and Tax Collectors. The Constitution means anymore. The only thing that means something is MONEY. Money is the new Constitution.



Repeal The Virginia Radar Detector Ban!!!!!

As the libertarian proverb has it, no man's life, liberty, or property are safe while the legislature is in session. The legislatures keep making more and more laws and appropriating more and more money for policing these laws and for the courts and the prison industry. We need to cut, cut, cut. We only want police for violent crimes. As Ben Franklin said, he who trades freedom for security deserves neither. We do not want the police to prevent anything. We want a limited government, because government is only capable of doing very limited good. Government is just people, and not always the best and brightest people.

I think the police will go after you, if you do as you describe. It doesn't matter that you're right; the police just have too much money and you are just too easy of a target for them to spend their time on. Increasingly, we're getting police who want to go after nicer people, since nicer more decent people are so much easier to spend the day processing than violent criminals are.

It's hard to know what to do. The politicians are, well, politicians. We need to actually cut budgets, and not by cutting things that actually help people. I don't know why we can't cut courts and police, but we can only cut food for the poor and health care and schools. Cut the prison industry: only incarcerate violent crimes. I think your u-turn action will get you in trouble, but it shouldn't, just as there should NEVER be the reason for you to make your u-turn. There should NEVER be a police road block.

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> As the libertarian proverb has it, no man's life,
> liberty, or property are safe while the
> legislature is in session. The legislatures keep
> making more and more laws and appropriating more
> and more money for policing these laws and for the
> courts and the prison industry. We need to cut,
> cut, cut. We only want police for violent crimes.
> As Ben Franklin said, he who trades freedom for
> security deserves neither. We do not want the
> police to prevent anything. We want a limited
> government, because government is only capable of
> doing very limited good. Government is just
> people, and not always the best and brightest
> people.
>
> I think the police will go after you, if you do as
> you describe. It doesn't matter that you're
> right; the police just have too much money and you
> are just too easy of a target for them to spend
> their time on. Increasingly, we're getting police
> who want to go after nicer people, since nicer
> more decent people are so much easier to spend the
> day processing than violent criminals are.
>
> It's hard to know what to do. The politicians
> are, well, politicians. We need to actually cut
> budgets, and not by cutting things that actually
> help people. I don't know why we can't cut courts
> and police, but we can only cut food for the poor
> and health care and schools. Cut the prison
> industry: only incarcerate violent crimes. I
> think your u-turn action will get you in trouble,
> but it shouldn't, just as there should NEVER be
> the reason for you to make your u-turn. There
> should NEVER be a police road block.


I have little doubt the police WILL pull me over after avoiding the road block but if we do not exercise our liberties we will surely loose them. Considering what our founders weathered, the thought of the state's revenue agent pulling me over just does not seem too vexing. Strangely, I still have not had the opporutnity to exercise this particular right but will keep my fellow activist informed on the subject.

Y'all have a nice day.