This is the place to discuss traffic laws and other issues related to motorists. http://www.motorists.org/forums/list.php?2 Thu, 02 Sep 2010 18:16:17 -0700 Phorum 5.2.7 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,67,626#msg-626 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,67,626#msg-626 beatem Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 02 Sep 2010 09:48:53 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,625,625#msg-625 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,625,625#msg-625 www.youtube.com]]]> Hey There Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 31 Aug 2010 19:34:13 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,624,624#msg-624 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,624,624#msg-624 trunkmonkey Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:55:43 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,623#msg-623 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,623#msg-623
Any comments would be greatly appreciated]]> criket207 Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 27 Aug 2010 11:38:16 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,622,622#msg-622 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,622,622#msg-622 gparra456 Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:57:39 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,621#msg-621 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,621#msg-621 -------------------------------------------------------
> As the libertarian proverb has it, no man's life,
> liberty, or property are safe while the
> legislature is in session. The legislatures keep
> making more and more laws and appropriating more
> and more money for policing these laws and for the
> courts and the prison industry. We need to cut,
> cut, cut. We only want police for violent crimes.
> As Ben Franklin said, he who trades freedom for
> security deserves neither. We do not want the
> police to prevent anything. We want a limited
> government, because government is only capable of
> doing very limited good. Government is just
> people, and not always the best and brightest
> people.
>
> I think the police will go after you, if you do as
> you describe. It doesn't matter that you're
> right; the police just have too much money and you
> are just too easy of a target for them to spend
> their time on. Increasingly, we're getting police
> who want to go after nicer people, since nicer
> more decent people are so much easier to spend the
> day processing than violent criminals are.
>
> It's hard to know what to do. The politicians
> are, well, politicians. We need to actually cut
> budgets, and not by cutting things that actually
> help people. I don't know why we can't cut courts
> and police, but we can only cut food for the poor
> and health care and schools. Cut the prison
> industry: only incarcerate violent crimes. I
> think your u-turn action will get you in trouble,
> but it shouldn't, just as there should NEVER be
> the reason for you to make your u-turn. There
> should NEVER be a police road block.


I have little doubt the police WILL pull me over after avoiding the road block but if we do not exercise our liberties we will surely loose them. Considering what our founders weathered, the thought of the state's revenue agent pulling me over just does not seem too vexing. Strangely, I still have not had the opporutnity to exercise this particular right but will keep my fellow activist informed on the subject.

Y'all have a nice day.]]> Lead Foot Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 27 Aug 2010 08:56:37 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,611,612#msg-612 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,611,612#msg-612 Summer Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 23 Aug 2010 18:57:00 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,611,611#msg-611 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,611,611#msg-611 mr interlock looser Discuss NMA Issues Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:54:05 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,286,610#msg-610 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,286,610#msg-610 mr interlock looser Discuss NMA Issues Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:38:55 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,286,609#msg-609 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,286,609#msg-609 mr interlock looser Discuss NMA Issues Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:31:47 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,554,608#msg-608 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,554,608#msg-608 mr interlock looser Discuss NMA Issues Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:10:04 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,607#msg-607 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,607#msg-607
My husband may be in a similar situation in the next few months. He is a long way from getting the device removed, but just found out today that there was an "occurrence" about a month ago that registered in the device records, but never gave us any warning that it detected anything. I didn't know that was even possible. I thought if it detected anything at all, it warned you and it failed, locking you out for 5 minutes. Monitech said the reading was .0012, but after reading all the comments here, I am terrified that this will mean the end of all we have worked for. We went through so many years of hard work, (and so much money), to get his license conditionally reinstated after being revoked. I am worried sick that, because of his prior convictions and revocation, there will be no leniency on this small reading, and he will get it revoked again. I somehow doubt they will just tack on an extra year to his time. And what frustrates me the most is that he has been 100% sober for 4 straight years! It will break my heart if he gets punished in spite of that amazing success.

We did not stop at a gas station, but the time stamp tells us it was after we ate dinner. We have not pinpointed the exact food that might have caused this "occurrence," but my best guess is that it was the mint chocolate chip ice cream (which is still baffling to me, but I've read a few instances online of chocolate being the culprit), because there's no way it would have been the steamed crab, french fries, or the corn on the cob. In my opinion, ALL eating establishments should be legally required to list ANY alcohol related ingredients right on the menu. We know not to order things cooked in wine, but ice cream??!!! It's not like it was butter rum ice cream...

Anyway, I will let you all know how things proceed. I guess it will be at least another month before we get a letter. Thanks for your support.]]> happyjeeper Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:17:33 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,606#msg-606 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,606#msg-606 Summer Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:18:28 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,605#msg-605 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,605#msg-605
I think the police will go after you, if you do as you describe. It doesn't matter that you're right; the police just have too much money and you are just too easy of a target for them to spend their time on. Increasingly, we're getting police who want to go after nicer people, since nicer more decent people are so much easier to spend the day processing than violent criminals are.

It's hard to know what to do. The politicians are, well, politicians. We need to actually cut budgets, and not by cutting things that actually help people. I don't know why we can't cut courts and police, but we can only cut food for the poor and health care and schools. Cut the prison industry: only incarcerate violent crimes. I think your u-turn action will get you in trouble, but it shouldn't, just as there should NEVER be the reason for you to make your u-turn. There should NEVER be a police road block.]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:11:48 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,604#msg-604 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,604#msg-604
I hate to say anything good about any iid company, but of all of the ones I've looked into, LifeSaver is by far the least bad. Sometimes, it appears, that if it weren't for certain state rules, LifeSaver could actually develop a device and system that many people and fleets might actually want to have. Rolling tests continue to be the real trouble with any such device.

Best wishes!]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:40:41 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,603#msg-603 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,603#msg-603
I don't know the circumstances, but from what you've written, it seems like you'll get your iid reset, perhaps have to pay for that, and the fail will be recorded. I don't know anything about how NC operates, and a quick look at the relevant chapter of NC laws (chapter 20) indicates that you're quite right about it being bizarre and complicated in NC, but you still should be okay, if you just go to your appointment and have the iid reset.

If you are not supposed to drink at all, then you will probably be in trouble, unless you can demonstrate that you were not the one who blew the sample that failed. From what you wrote, I thought your husband was the one who did it, but re-reading, I see that I think you were saying that your husband called you and you blew? I thought he called you and found that you were drinking wine and so he blew. I assumed he was drinking beer or something, while working on your car. As I say, though, I don't know what's going on there. If you blew the sample after having drank, then, I don't know what to say. But even with that, in lots of states it's okay, unless you are expressly forbidden from drinking at all, as on probation or if the dept of motor vehicles says you can never blow a fail.

The iid industry wants you to be able to use the devices -- that's how they make their money, so they aren't trying to get you off it. Of course, there are stupid, mean people everywhere, but mostly the iid companies need to trap people into having to use the devices, and this doesn't happen if people are always thrown off it. Indeed, this is why the industry has given so much money to MADD to get it to pressure state legislatures to make laws to get people accused or convicted of drunk drivers back on the road faster, but with the devices. I'm saying all this to you to remind you that your iid company wants you on their device, paying for it. If it can keep you on it, it will, in all likelihood do so. But, you sound so frantic that I think you must be meeting with a probation officer who is likely to go hard on you?

If it really is just as you wrote and just a meeting with the iid company, you'll be hassled and perhaps have to pay some money, but you should be okay. You didn't drive drunk -- the device did what it was supposed to do. It kept the car from being started when the sample showed the blower was over the preset limit. It is best never to blow into any such device after drinking ANY alcohol, since every blow is recorded, and that record can be used against you. Still, if other people blow or drive your car, that can mitigate the effect of any failed tests.

Best wishes!]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 19 Aug 2010 19:32:21 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,602#msg-602 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,573,602#msg-602


Repeal The Virginia Radar Detector Ban!!!!!]]> Snickers Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:30:31 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,601#msg-601 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,455,601#msg-601 -------------------------------------------------------
> Well Good Luck with it, I'm still not sure about
> hiring an attorney, the prices they charge is
> crazy, and its not that I can't pay it, I just
> dont want too. When I finally get my court date as
> well I believe my case is strong enough I shouldnt
> have to worry about it, I spoke to the DMV in
> Raleigh and was told most of the first time
> offenders get a warning, now I dont know how true
> that is but at least I can sit down with this DMV
> Hearing officer and explain things, so getting an
> attorney seems to be throwing money away, its a
> hearing, not much he can say that I cant, there
> are no loop holes for him to try and wiiggle out,
> its either the hearing officer is going to listen
> to you or not.
>
> My Letter was about the same time as yours, and my
> Interlock is scheduled to be taken out on the 4th
> of next month, less than 2 weeks, so at least I'll
> have a little freedom anyways. Be sure to ask
> Monitech for your Record Log, so you can review it
> and see what the violation was, and what all the
> other readings say, its really simple to read and
> understand.


Whatever happened with this? I'm in a similar situation and wondering what your outcome was. Thanks!]]> dumbdumb Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 17 Aug 2010 17:31:22 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,600#msg-600 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,600#msg-600
Do you really think my husband telling them that he did it will help? Am I going to have a hearing over this? I still haven't taken the car. I have until Friday to do so.

I really can't afford to lose my license. I just got it back in January and now because of this, I'm terrified that I'm going to lose them again. If I lose my license, I'll lose my job because I will have no way there and back. My husband goes out of town to work and I'm stuck here if I lose my license. I don't live in a big town, so there is no public transportation.

Any advice on this would be appreciated.]]> dumbdumb Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 17 Aug 2010 09:51:53 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,599#msg-599 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,599#msg-599
Don't be so hard on yourself. These profiteers and the politicians in their pocket conspire to impose DEADLY DANGEROUS conditions on you and more and more people, for the financial benefit of the ignition interlock industry and the tax coffers.

Best wishes!]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 17 Aug 2010 04:07:49 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,598#msg-598 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,598,598#msg-598
I have the interlock installed by Monitech on my car. I am ordered to have it for a year and I've had it on since January 28, 2010. I have had no violations (other than obvious mouth contaminants).

Friday, my transmission was slipping really bad and my husband was working on it while I was in the house. Keep in mind that I was at home, so I had about 2 glasses of wine. He came in and asked me to start my car so he could check the transmission. I didn't even think and went out there and blew in the stupid thing. Of course, I failed and now I have an early recall. I have to have it in by Friday and I have no idea what is going to happen.

I am absolutely petrified that I am going to lose my license and I had no intention of even going anywhere. Anyone have any ideas on what I could do?]]> dumbdumb Discuss NMA Issues Mon, 16 Aug 2010 16:42:43 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,582,595#msg-595 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,582,595#msg-595 Summer Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:51:25 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,565,594#msg-594 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,565,594#msg-594
Please do not think any of this is rational or fair or consistent. It is purely a scam by politicians in bed with the iid industry, and the DMV has only pretty low people working for it (which makes sense, since no one decent would willingly work for the DMV -- why not just go dig ditches or anything honest and helpful to people?). I used to be one of those nutty people who thought the government was good and the only real problem was that it didn't have enough money to do everything better. The experience the last few years with this DUI scam has really made me see the light. We could not possibly cut the government enough, I now see. If we didn't pay these bureaucrats, most of them would go away.

Anyway, the most important thing, I think, is to have a car with an iid device on it and make sure that the company tells the DMV that you do have it. The DMV will send you a letter indicating that they have on record your car with the iid on it. If they don't, I would write them (don't bother calling; the people are rude and say anything that pops in their heads; they are not very bright and are easily irritated; and none of it matters anyway, since nothing they say will have any bearing in any future review, should you request one). Having the car with the iid on it in your name is important, because the clock for your 1 year starts the day you have the device (and your license). To drive other cars, I would just do it, with iid's on them. There's nothing to guarantee that cops or the bureaucracy will not harass you driving another car, since every person involved interprets the law and rules their own way, and there is no recourse to you, when you are abused. But you definitely are restricted to driving only with the DEADLY DANGEROUS device for one year.

Oh, I think I may have misunderstood your question. I thought you wanted to drive 2 or more cars. But now I think you may have 2 or more cars and want to know if you must install iid's on all of them. The answer to this is no. You must have one car with an iid on it for one year. You cannot drive any car that does not have an iid, and sometimes you'll be told that you're restricted to drivign the one car you register as having the iid. You can put iid's on all of your cars, and the iid company would love this, but this just gives the scoundrels more money. Just don't drive your other cars and drive, when you drive, only the one car you put the device on. What I'm most concerned to tell you is to get a device on one of your cars and get that certified to the DMV so that the one year clock will start.

Good luck!]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:40:09 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,238,593#msg-593 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,238,593#msg-593
This has caused so much trouble, because the latest device I got constantly gives abortions. Previous devices seemed to work fine, but the new one (you have to get a new one every two months) ALWAYS gives at least one abortion at start up, and often gives two consecutive abortions when I'm driving, requiring that I turn off the engine and wait for several minutes to start the whole cycle anew. If I pull over and take the test, and keep myself in exactly one position with just exactly one flow of air and one very limited constant vibration on the mouthpiece, the contraption doesn't abort. But if the car is moving at all, which makes the flow of air and vibration on the device vary the slightest bit, it gives me an abortion. When I called again from the street today and told the guy this, he simply said that never happens, that it was my "technique." Anyway, my real problem with this is that, especially with the random tests when you're in the middle of traffic, this is the MOST DEADLY DANGEROUS thing I have ever had to do in my life. I have had a pretty pampered life, I know, but really, it is not only the MOST DEADLY DANGEROUS thing to me, but to EVERY PERSON AROUND THE CAR. I was almost unable to avoid a lady on her cell phone from crashing into me, when she swerved into my lane, because I was so consumed with the DEADLY DANGEROUS device giving abortions and my needing to cut the motor.

Obviously, this is a corrupt arrangement to make citizens give private companies money and to give the government more taxes (the contraption costs $65 a month, plus other charges, and then there is a 7% tax on this that goes to the government). I say, just let me give you the money without you creating THE MOST DEADLY DANGEROUS DRIVING CONDITIONS for me and all those around my car. I'll give the $65 a month, plus other charges, and the tax money, just don't make me drive with the DEADLY DANGEROUS contraption. I would so much rather be tied down in the middle of an LA expressway filled up with speeding drivers legally drunk, who are texting their worst enemies, yelling at kids in the back seat to shut up, and fighting off 90 pound dogs off their laps., than have to drive for a full year with this DEADLY DANGEROUS contraption giving abortions while I am trying to drive through traffic. Of course, I would also rather simply go through a period of time -- such as two years, as I did -- without driving at all, than HAVE TO DRIVE one day with such a DEADLY DANGEROUS contraption tripping me up.

We all know that MADD has sold out to the IID industry. What doesn't seem to be so clear is that the politicians have sold out public safety to the industry. The politicians have created the most DEADLY DANGEROUS conditions for the profit of the owners of the iid industry, and done so, perversely, under the name of "safety." How can we get people to understand that these devices are much more dangerous than genuine drunk or sleepy or texting drivers are and that the only reason people are made to use these DEADLY DANGEROUS contraptions is to enrich the beneficiaries of the iid industry? I also want to know how to start something like a support group (I hate that term, but I'll use it for brevity and clarity here) for people who are forced to use this most DEADLY DANGEROUS device, in order to have a driver's license.

Thanks, again, for this forum. It was good to read the stories of others.]]> Summer Discuss NMA Issues Thu, 12 Aug 2010 22:27:41 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,592,592#msg-592 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,592,592#msg-592 kingdragon22 Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 11 Aug 2010 07:43:51 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,238,591#msg-591 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,238,591#msg-591 MADDRIVER Discuss NMA Issues Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:12:56 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,517,590#msg-590 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,517,590#msg-590
I got cheated on my I think because the speed limit on I20 was 70 and for no reason it was dumbed down to 55 and everyone else around me was going the same or faster than me. I got singled out and it really makes me mad.]]> DinRyu Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:15:36 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,56,588#msg-588 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,56,588#msg-588 klules664 Discuss NMA Issues Wed, 04 Aug 2010 17:23:27 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,565,587#msg-587 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,565,587#msg-587 mtgirl Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:52:47 -0700 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,570,586#msg-586 http://www.motorists.org/forums/read.php?2,570,586#msg-586 mtgirl Discuss NMA Issues Fri, 30 Jul 2010 14:51:09 -0700